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Post by davisk on Jul 15, 2009 8:24:13 GMT -5
Theo, I read about your 12,000+ calorie spike days on Scott's forum. They're unbelievable! I remember on the Cycle Diet DVD Scott talks about eating ability. I was wondering on your spike day, do you even get full? How do you know when you have had enough? Also, what about elimination? Is it an easy come-easy go type thing or is it just like a normal day?
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Jul 15, 2009 9:59:32 GMT -5
Davis,
Eating ability comes naturally when in supercompensation mode;that being said though,there's different levels of supercomp which can be sustainable for each individual depending on many factors (ie:genetic profile,somatype,etc). Not everyone can sustain a deep level of supercompenation for long periods of time,espcially if trying to 'build' LBM gradually over a period of time.If being shredded is all one cares about,usually it would require a deep level of supercompensation to keep that cosmetic effect.Problem is,if your somatype does not call for it,it's quite hard to remain there for long periods of time.Remember,when in deep supercomp,you are hungry most of the time and most just can't handle the feeling of hunger,even just after they've finished eating...LOL. For myself,I have adjusted my diet at this point to fit my needs for building LBM and keeping bodyfat levels at bay...I will always be in striking distance of shreddedness due to my work schedule and opportunities that have arisen.I am much more marketable this way and to be quite honest,I have no problems following my own protocol.Scott has overseen the diet I made for myself and has agreed with it...if we feel we need to make any changes based on work oppurtunities or whatever,we will adjust as we see fit. As for elimination,it takes care of itself...most of what I store is used up in the gym and life in general...but elimination is constant on that day for me to be sure.Most who have digestive issues though,don't do to well with the Cycle Diet...from my own experiences.
Hope this answers your Q's, Theo.
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Post by biggiesmalls on Jul 17, 2009 12:17:02 GMT -5
i remember having a 1-on-1 training session with Theo on a sunday morning and having breakfast right before the session with him at a near by restaurant and just his breakfast probably totalled my calories for the week lol...he had douzaine eggs,crazy amount of bacon,potatoes,sausages,stacks of pancakes with all kinds of butter and syrop,fruits,etc.I think his bill was like 45-50$ and this place was cheap too...then just before hitting the gym,he made me stop at a tim horton's and bought 12 doughnuts right before my eyes as I was warming up.i kid you not.lol...even with a full stomach like that,he was demo'ing certain functional moves...so yeah,his eating ability is large to say the least.ripped to the bone too.
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Post by davisk on Jul 17, 2009 19:18:44 GMT -5
Wow! Wouldn't you not want to work out on your spike day? Biggie, has Theo assessed you to the point of including some kind of spike day within your diet?
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Jul 18, 2009 9:05:28 GMT -5
LOL...I remember that...Davis,I wasn't working out,just performing my coaching duties with biggie...but only demo'ing NOT working out...wouldn't want the doughnuts as well as everything else getting dished out on the gym floor...hahaha. Biggie will comment I'm sure,but as an MMA fighter he gets plenty of re-fueling and spiking...just that he can't afford to be in too deep of a supercompensated state...he's a fighter so although he looks very lean,cosmetics are just a side effect but not his main focus...he's still ripped though and can be marketable at any given time when prepping for his shoots...
Theo
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Post by biggiesmalls on Jul 20, 2009 7:58:25 GMT -5
well for me,as Theo stated,i get plenty of re-fueling and has increased ever since i first started with Theo.i started out with 2100 cals for 6 days and then one day of refeeds and as i got leaner,Theo added days of carb ups and continues to rotate as my needs increase or whatever is happening with my fighting schedule and based on my responses to training as well as my fighting...right now,i take 3200 cals for 3 days,then 4500 for 1 day,2 days back at 3200 and then an all out refeed day...this is where i'm at right now.very lean and full and performance is through the roof.depends on response though so i leave that all up to Theo.that's why i pay for his services,right?
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Post by hockeyplayer on Jul 20, 2009 11:10:00 GMT -5
Well I eat 4000 calories at this point and just started incorporating my weekly spikes.I love sundays.I get to eat whatever I want and have a life.I do know though,that everyone is not the same.Even guys from my team under Theo's coaching program have totally different plans than myself.Right now,my diet is serving my body,performance and I look great and feel very lean as well.
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Post by davisk on Jul 21, 2009 11:52:17 GMT -5
Biggie and hockeyplayer, I understand that everything is individual. What are your builds in terms of height and weight?
Biggie, how often do you have fights? Also, how much weight do you normally cut, if any?
What is the difference between a carb up and a re-feed? As I understand, usually a re-feed means anything and everything. My guess is that a carb up refers to just eating more starchy carbs.
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Jul 22, 2009 7:30:27 GMT -5
Davis,
A carb-up is used more to replenish 'missing' glycogen more so for performance,although helps with cosmetics most of the time as well and is mainly an increase in carbs,in its purest form.A re-feed is used to replenish your glycogen stores and is calorically dense in nature .Usually,for people which are dieting for long periods of time under a relative caloric deficit and have 'emptied' their glycogen stores alltogether and require huge spikes in cals to be able to continue dieting this way.Deals more with hunger hormones as well and their balance.Very versatile way of dieting for both performance (although requires adjusting) and cosmetics.
Theo
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Post by davisk on Jul 22, 2009 7:48:27 GMT -5
Theo, so for example with a carb up, in general, if I had a meal that called for 6 oz. of fish and 6 oz. of potato I would increase the amount of potato to say 10-12 oz? Does it mainly apply to starchy carbs like rice and potatoes, or is pasta, bread or even sweets viable options?
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Jul 22, 2009 8:01:09 GMT -5
Theo, so for example with a carb up, in general, if I had a meal that called for 6 oz. of fish and 6 oz. of potato I would increase the amount of potato to say 10-12 oz? Does it mainly apply to starchy carbs like rice and potatoes, or is pasta, bread or even sweets viable options? Yes,you have the main gist of things,although your example would be much more applicable for performance than cosmetics but still would depend on biofeedback in the end.And yes as well,the main goal is to increase carb intake in general,although sweets have no part in it.Sweets CAN be used for other purposes but not for carb ups in their purest form. Theo
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Post by biggiesmalls on Jul 23, 2009 12:51:37 GMT -5
stats are 5'9 @ 190 lbs...very low bodyfat but where everything is visible as far as muscle separation and speed of movement is at an all time high.this works for me at this point.
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Post by davisk on Jul 24, 2009 8:40:01 GMT -5
Biggie, sorry to be repetitive, but I have a couple questions.
How often do you have fights? Also, how much weight do you normally cut, if any?
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Jul 25, 2009 13:23:09 GMT -5
We've programmed biggie's frame to be within distance of given weight...his body is programmed and I prescribe a specific protocol to make weight...but he's always within distance...and there's NO water manipulations or starvation methods...that's just plain stupid and unnecessary...but I'm sure he will comment as well.
Theo
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Post by davisk on Jul 25, 2009 14:07:20 GMT -5
Theo, do you think that the weight cut should be no more than a certain amount, lets say like 10-15 lbs.? Or like most things it's individual. I can't believe when I hear about fighters cutting 30+ lbs.!
Recently, George St. Pierre was asked about fighting Anderson Silva, the 185 champ who has been known to cut up to 30 lbs., but he said that he normally walks around at 185 and cuts to 170. That doesn't seem too bad if it's done over 8-12 weeks, which seems like the standard. I think if they were to fight, which I don't think is a good idea for GSP right now, then Anderson would outweigh GSP by at least 15-20 lbs.
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