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Post by biggiesmalls on Apr 7, 2009 7:38:45 GMT -5
Theo
I saw Trent last night at the gym and he advised me he was eating a high fat diet with some alterations along the way.The guy was ripped to shreds and his power output was sick...his takedowns were crazy fast...he's imporved so much in all areas...I thought low carb diets sucked the life out of you...lol
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Post by darius on Apr 7, 2009 9:49:47 GMT -5
I would too like to hear your take on that topic. I saw your post (Theo) on Scotts site today on 'best foods for cosmetic purposes' , and it listed high fat foods.
Personally I think it is very personal, some people don't tolerate carbs as well as others so low carb/high fat is a better path for them.
I tried low fat diet in the past (45p, 45c, 10f) and it worked well for me as far as weight loss goes. After speaking to few people, and educating myself on the high fat approach, I decided to give it a shot (love experimenting with new things in regards to diet/training). As I am only on 3rd day, it is way too soon to make a comment on the diet.
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 7, 2009 10:12:28 GMT -5
Biggie,
Yup...Trent is looking shredded right now and usually in such a state,athletes get weaker;but Trent is performing way better and the diet is serving its purpose both in performance and cosmetics as well...the problem with most people is that they need to justify everything and take a stance because they see everything as black & white...I choose not to...because this is where the 'art' lies in finding what maximizes ones results;this is where individuality come into play and can make you or break you,as far as acheiving and MAXIMIZING your end result. For myself,carbs and fat work...BUT high fat is king with me as well because as far as performance and mental clarity as well as comfort within my body,it can't be beat for me...I was meant to eat like a spartan and Trent is one of those guys as well...he just uses up his fuel so efficiently and this is what has made all the difference with him...it's funny you mention Trent,because he was talking about you in much the same way just a few short weeks ago...look at your pics from when we started together and look at the ones you sent last week...freaky eh ? Also,you've won every single match thus far,right ? not too shabby yourself...props to both of you though for being animals in the gym...
Theo
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 7, 2009 10:36:46 GMT -5
I would too like to hear your take on that topic. I saw your post (Theo) on Scotts site today on 'best foods for cosmetic purposes' , and it listed high fat foods. Personally I think it is very personal, some people don't tolerate carbs as well as others so low carb/high fat is a better path for them. I tried low fat diet in the past (45p, 45c, 10f) and it worked well for me as far as weight loss goes. After speaking to few people, and educating myself on the high fat approach, I decided to give it a shot (love experimenting with new things in regards to diet/training). As I am only on 3rd day, it is way too soon to make a comment on the diet. Darius, Yeah...my post was more to express my thoughts on BLACK & WHITE mentality...the poster seems to already know that lean meats are the end all...when in reality they are NOT...at least not for everyone.When I first started experimenting with diet,my main source of knowledge was Mauro DiPasquale.In that sense,I got to really understand diet approaches and various ways to fuel the body for performance,cosmetics,overall health,etc. The problem with 'low carb' is that many trainees use it and are afraid to add fat...to survive on this type of an approach,YOU NEED HIGH AMOUNTS OF FAT...and much in the same way as carbs,some fats work better than others for various purposes...for myself,I've seen successful stories on people who eat this way as a way of life and are very happy,only because they are meant to eat this way...nothing is FORCED...it comes natural.Most of my athletes who eat this way,also have 'spike' meals or days once they become very efficient at burning their fuel source...you'll know if this is for you based on your many psychological responses as well as your body's way of expending its primary source of fuel...if you're wondering all day about oatmeal,potatoes and rice...it'll be hard to stick to it...and in the end,as Scott states,the diet MUST BE FUNCTIONAL...it's got to serve its purpose in every aspect or else it fails...let me know how it goes...keep in mind though,it's very important to keep your eye out for responses and the way you expend your fuel because I've seen trainees look like ill patients and sparing away on such diets...this is truly an art and you can only appreciate something like this when you have witnessed it first hand...this is why Scott is a true 'expert' on reading athletes and their biofeedback...he is my true mentor at this time and everytime we discuss nutrition or training...I learn so much...keep us posted on progress. Best, Theo PS:By the way,I can tell you first hand that Scott uses high fat diets as well...for all who have labeled him as carb oriented...he builds a diet based on clients 'needs state' which is necessary,especially for adherance and to serve the body.
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Post by darius on Apr 7, 2009 11:53:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the response Theo. I have been in the process of 'ripping' Anabolic Solution by Mauro DiPasquale apart. Thus far, adding fat is not an issue for me, and the diet feels right, but as I said, been only on it for three days. Looking forward to see how the rest of the metabolic shift will feel like and thereafter. Let me know if you have any tips or things to look out for. I've read a lot about it, but nothing beats experts advice.
Sorry to hijack your thread BG
Darius
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 7, 2009 12:33:22 GMT -5
Darius,
You seem like your in tune with everything,so I'm sure you'll soon find out if this diet is for you...if you start feeling like a bus just hit you as far as energy levels,then your fat intake is too low and you need to adjust.It also depends on your present metabolic state...amongst a whole bunch of other factors.All in all,the next few days will be true indicators,especially in week 2...you'll know if you were made for this diet or not...keep us posted and GOOD LUCK.
Best, Theo
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 13, 2009 9:42:22 GMT -5
Darius,
How's that 2nd week going for you ? Give us an update.
Theo
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Post by darius on Apr 13, 2009 15:04:28 GMT -5
Well, the first week was a blast, energy was out the roof, training was better then ever, eating was good, no calorie counting, just making sure I am taking in enough fat and protein, and staying away from carbs, while assuring fiber intake it sufficient.
During the weekend I got hit, energy dropped, got little "foggy", and cravings kicked in (sugar free jell-o rocks!). Starting the second week and everything is in-tune. Energy is back up, fogginess is gone, and starting to work out the caloric intake, and structure of the diet. Awaiting my first carb-up.
What is your take on diet pop during the metabolic shift phase and thereafter? Also, when you do your carb-ups, do you keep them 'clean' when going into cutting phase? The book says you have some room for pizza etc. but as always, there might be a gap between the text and real word application. Thanks Theo (and other)
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 14, 2009 6:59:13 GMT -5
Darius,
Sounds like all went well;good to hear.As for diet pop,I make sure to have one whenever I feel the need to;it can range anywhere from 3-6 cans / day and seeing as how I'm on relative deficit at the moment,this 'fills' me up so to speak.As for fiber,myself I don't need it because this is how I was meant to eat therefore elimination is constant with my sodium/water consumption. As far as carb-ups go,well,here's where it gets tricky;it depends where your metabolic starting point was at and where it is now in comparison...in addition,it depends on your present state of 'leaness'...if you are lean/ripped,then fire away and eat anything and everything in sight to replenish your glucogen stores...Mauro states that you can actually 'feel' yourself getting 'soft' when you've had enough;this should be the limit for someone looking to get shredded...In my case,I usually get harder and harder as I eat on spike day because I only include the spike(s) when I am very lean/ripped condition.I remember the first time I experiemented with high fat diet,I waited 7 or 8 weeks before including the spikes...but doing so got me in ripped condition and on carb day I would include everything my heart desired.The thing is 'timing' is everything and spikes need to be added 'strategically' because if not,it will be hard to benefit from this whole approach,cosmetically speaking...Not sure which phase you are presently doing.
Best, Theo
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Post by elliana on Apr 14, 2009 10:25:21 GMT -5
My hubby was working with Theo for a modeling shoot and was following a high fat diet that worked incredibly well! When he started he looked soft and pudgy and after 10 weeks he looked like an anatomy chart.But like Theo stated,he did make alterations all through with carb foods and I guess strategically placed for my husband's benefit...he looked great and still does.He still eats this way but takes weekends off from training and diet.Theo has set him up this way and he's happy with present condition and can dial it in pretty easily if work comes up.
elli
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Post by darius on Apr 14, 2009 11:05:21 GMT -5
Theo, thank you for your help and input, much appreciated. You mentioned you didn’t need fiber because your body was meant to be fed that way. How do you figure? One obvious answer would be biofeedback. Would bio-signature be a valuable test to determine your optimal source of fuel?
The thing about carb-ups, I assume I will need to experiment with that as I go along. To some extend, this ‘way’ of eating would be similar to CD. Once trainee becomes lean and muscle cells are depleted, anything goes on the carb-up day. Carb-up day becomes a ‘cheat day’, am I on the right path?
Elli, thank you for your input, it is always encouraging to hear success stories, even-though I don’t have Theo in my corner.
Your posts reminded me about three simple rules of training and dieting…assess, assess, assess.
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 14, 2009 12:13:31 GMT -5
Darius,
For myself I don't use fiber because I don't feel the need to;for one,I'm an efficient FAT-burner and use it up efficiently as far as performance and yes biofeedback determines this for me.I am regular and obtain a healthy flora in other ways.Biosignature can be a useful tool BUT it depends greatly on who is performing it and I don't tend to use it like POLIQUIN trainers do at this time.Biosignature tends to push a whole slew of supplements...and there's many trainers parakeeting supplement solutions that to me make no sense.I use skinfolds as well as other cues to determine the primary fuel to be used on trainees...It's something I use as a starting point but don't be fooled by all the gimmicks that make people beleive there is concrete answers to these things...this where the hidden "art" form lies...this is why people will get results and maximize vs. people who keep spinning their wheels.Stay in tune with yourself and be HONEST about it and you'll do well...but doing it by yourself is harder for sure.It is for this reason I hired Scott this year as well...I need that 3rd eye so to speak to keep me "REAL" ...GOOD LUCK.
Theo
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Post by arush on Apr 15, 2009 11:12:05 GMT -5
Great litle forum Ive also done the Anabolic Soulution diets etc. Just want to put in a litle something. As for the high fat days its important to get as much saturated fat as u can, and stay away from the PUFAS. Saturated fat is really the king. For the carb up days, as theo stated it depends on how ripped you are but for best carb ups i would try to avoid the High Fructose Corn Sirup crap, veggie oils(in many breads etc.,) and maybe not to much clean sugar. Bake your breads and all that delicious stuff by yourself, it tastes better and its more fun to do i always searched the web sites the night before my carb up to find the best stuff to enjoy also starches are great for carb ups, but i guess u already know that.
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 15, 2009 11:31:37 GMT -5
arush,
welcome aboard...nice to have you here.Many variations to be sure and all to do with individuality.As for baking your own goods...My wife and I always like to make things on spike days to add that extra 'love factor'...In addition,for myself I choose to view it as a 'spike' day...meaning a considerable increase in calories,especially when you consider hunger hormones and proper response...
Best, Theo
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Post by arush on Apr 15, 2009 13:57:34 GMT -5
thank you yeah i agree, the love factor is important for me aswell On the carb load day, how do you divide the % of calories? from fat,carbs and protein? because i find it sometimes hard to make something that tastes really good and is packed with carbs but low in fat.
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