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Post by darius on Apr 17, 2009 15:14:09 GMT -5
Not sure what happen there Theo, numbers don't seem to add up, but from a visual assessment, I am happy with the progress. The scale says 3 lbs, but it seems more when I stand on front of the mirror or when I put on clothes, and that's what matters most. I agree with you about the spike day. Not there just yet. Will stick to a clean carb-up day and see where that takes me. Will keep you posted.
How is your progress going? Any pics?
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 18, 2009 7:48:03 GMT -5
darius,
If you are happy with progress 'visually' then that's the most important of course...great assessment...One thing that always puts a perspective for me is PICS...They don't lie and make see things from outside the box.As for myself,I'll be posting soon...still fairly early but I'll post some progress pics starting at 6-8 weeks out...right now just trying to hold on to as much size as possible and weighing in at 216 lbs as of this morning.GOOD LUCK once again and keep us posted by all means.Also,I answered your PM sir.
Best, Theo
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Post by darius on Apr 20, 2009 16:25:31 GMT -5
So the first carb up went pretty well. Kept my carbs around 300g, which was little high. The anabolic solution recommends 150g (little general) if you're in a cutting phase. Also my caloric intake was little higher then on diet days. Energy levels are good, and I have noticed my appetite is out the roof after the carb-up.
Theo, if you are efficiently using fat as fuel source, are carb ups still necessary, or can you continue without them until you are ready for 'spiking'? I assume 'there are many ways to skin the cat' as someone wise once said. Just wanted your opinion.
Darius
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 20, 2009 22:14:40 GMT -5
Absolutely necessary;when you start using fat efficiently in general and please don;t quote me as the 'only' possibility,everything eventually slows down...(metabolism wise)...only normal right ? because there's no fuel to get through perfomance as well as everyday labor...so yes,carb ups are necessary.
Hope this helps, Theo
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Post by biggiesmalls on Apr 22, 2009 6:59:45 GMT -5
Wow...great thread guys.Thanks for all the info.
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Post by darius on Apr 24, 2009 12:05:52 GMT -5
Theo (or others), what are your thoughts on use of dairy on high(er) fat diets. Are there any drawbacks, advantages...?
I tried mixing 2% cottage cheese with flax meal and some splenda for one of my meals today and I must say it was not bad at all. The meal fits into the diet as far as macros goes, and it's full of protein, fiber, and some fat....
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 24, 2009 23:31:16 GMT -5
Darius,
Although in the end it's all individual,I can tell you that for myself and some clients,cottage cheese is a staple...
Theo
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Post by darius on Apr 27, 2009 10:51:09 GMT -5
I am pretty surprised with the outcomes of this approach to eating Theo (and other who follow). After my first carb-up, which was last Sunday, I felt like I was running out of fuel by Wednesday, but I hung in there till Sunday as my performance was fine and workouts didn’t suffer. My first carb-up was pretty “clean” with few cheat meals, nothing crazy. This time around, I decided to take a different approach and spike my calories significantly. For breakfast I had a box of cereal and 0.5L of milk and could have easily inhaled another box. Considering the amount of food eaten, I was expecting major water retention and bloating the day after but to my surprise, none of that occurred! I feel heavier and my muscles are nicely filled. I am looking forward to see how my body will react to the spike, and how fast the weight comes off.
Darius
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on Apr 27, 2009 11:03:37 GMT -5
Excellent work Darius...keep giving us your feedback.
GOOD LUCK.
Theo
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Post by darius on May 4, 2009 9:21:48 GMT -5
Theo, good to hear you're doing great as I read on Scotts forum. As many others, I am looking forward to progress pictures. Keep going strong, you’re a motivation to others.
On a different note, and controversial one, what is your stand on post-workout nutrition or nutrient timing? Specifically, I noticed Di Pasquale recommends eating large(er) amounts of protein following training, coming from lean sources so the body is using stored body fat as fuel (if I understood correctly). Just wondering what is your take on that.
Darius
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on May 4, 2009 11:10:17 GMT -5
Darius,
Quite honestly,I don't know what you are referring to...I know Dr.D recommends all kinds of supps BUT in my mind it's just not necessary 99.9% of the time.I've seen too many cases from my own clientele not using anything and following a balanced approach ie:calorie balance,proper gastric emptying,etc...that all this timing will just bring your 'eye' away from the ball.Perhaps they know something I don't but my clients have proven this over and over again.I just had one of my girls who is practically stage ready almost all year long (with specific breaks) and all she does is eat as per her diet protocol I've prescribed with strategic calorie spikes 5 times / day.No supps,no windows,no nothing...food distributed evenly throughout her metabolic day and consistency.Everyone in her gym beleives she is chemically enhanced and has to deal with the whole "You're not natural,right ? " ideology.God forbid someone gives her props for her hard work ethic in the gym and out and consistency and discipline to follow through on her training/diet protocol.
Best, Theo
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on May 4, 2009 11:13:03 GMT -5
And by the way,thanks for your kind words...how's things with you and the metabolic diet ?
Theo
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Post by darius on May 4, 2009 14:09:48 GMT -5
I was referring to the supplements recommended by Dr. Di. I have a pretty solid stance on supplement use in the industry, was wondering what was your take on topic. Long gone are days when I would speed home to have my post-workout meal so I can fit within the window, which comically kept getting smaller. Since I started following Scotts work my eyes are wide open and more ‘aware’ of what goes on, the journey got much more interesting, and simpler to be honest. No timing, no supps, just as you said, effort, consistency and proper programming and application, which I am still learning. I can relate to your client, the moment respectable physique is spotted, first question the person gets has to do with ‘drugs’ they use. What’s even worst, the situation isn’t getting better, or heading in the right direction, in fact it is getting worst.
Diet is going great, full into cutting phase in relative deficit with1/2 day carb-up on the weekend (this will hopefully turn into full spike day down the road). Energy is good, workouts are great. It took little while to get a hang of the new approach, but I think I got it down finally.
Darius
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Post by Theo Papatheofanous on May 5, 2009 6:34:51 GMT -5
Darius,
Great to hear;sounds like you're getting at peace with the new approach and have a 'reaistic' view of your progress.Keep giving us the 4-1-1 brother.
Best, Theo
PS:I have never tried the MD supplements by the way;I'm sure they are of high quality knowing Dr. Dipasquale as he's in a league of his own on many topics.
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Post by biggiesmalls on May 8, 2009 8:23:52 GMT -5
What a thread.Great info guys!
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